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Parnas: Trump, Pence in Ukraine Plan 01/17 06:30
A close associate of President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani
is claiming Trump was directly involved in the effort to pressure Ukraine to
investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A close associate of President Donald Trump's personal
lawyer Rudy Giuliani is claiming Trump was directly involved in the effort to
pressure Ukraine to investigate Democratic rival Joe Biden.
Lev Parnas says he delivered an ultimatum in May, at Giuliani's behest, to
the incoming president of Ukraine that no senior U.S. officials would attend
his inauguration and vital American security aid would be withheld if an
investigation into Biden wasn't announced.
He said Trump was aware of Giuliani's efforts to secure an investigation and
the president was briefed regularly.
If true, Parnas' account undercuts a key Republican defense of Trump during
the impeachment investigation --- that Trump's withholding of vital military
aid to Ukraine last summer wasn't a quid pro quo for Biden investigations.
"President Trump knew exactly what was going on," said Parnas, a Soviet-born
Florida businessman facing a raft of criminal charges related to campaign
finance violations. "He was aware of all my movements. I wouldn't do anything
without the consent of Rudy Giuliani, or the president."
For his part, Trump on Thursday repeated denials that he is acquainted with
Parnas, despite numerous photos that have emerged of the two men together ,
including at a April 2018 dinner with about a half dozen others at the
president's Washington hotel.
"I meet thousands and thousands of people as president. I take thousands of
pictures," Trump said, speaking to reporters in the Oval Office. "I don't know
him, I never had a conversation that I remember with him."
Parnas made several potentially explosive claims in an extended interview
with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, segments of which were aired Wednesday and
Thursday.
The day after Parnas said he delivered the message, the State Department
announced that Vice President Mike Pence would no longer be attending the
inauguration of Ukrainian President Volodymir Zelenskiy.
Parnas alleged that Trump ordered Pence to stay away at the behest of
Giuliani to send a clear message to the incoming Ukrainian administration that
they needed to take seriously the demand for an investigation into Biden, a
Democratic presidential candidate seen as a potential threat to Trump's 2020
reelection.
Parnas said every communication he had with Zelenskiy's team was at the
direction of Giuliani, whom he regularly overheard briefing Trump about their
progress by phone.
Giuliani called Parnas' statements "sad."
"I feel sorry for him," Giuliani said Wednesday in a text message to an AP
reporter. "I thought he was an honorable man. I was wrong."
Asked directly if Parnas was lying, Trump's lawyer replied, "I'm not
responding yet."
Parnas said he also heard Giuliani and another Trump-aligned defense lawyer,
Victoria Toensing, briefing Attorney General William Barr by phone about their
efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government to announce the investigation into
Biden and his son Hunter's business dealings.
"Barr was basically on the team," Parnas said.
The Justice Department said in September that Trump had not spoken to Barr
about having Ukraine investigate the Bidens and that the attorney general had
not discussed Ukraine with Giuliani. Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec
said Wednesday that Parnas' claims were "100% false."
Toensing posted on Twitter that Parnas "absolutely lied" about her
conversations with Barr.
Pence, who Parnas said raised the need for an investigation into the Bidens
in a September meeting with Zelenskiy in Poland, added to the flurry of denials
issued Thursday.
"I don't know the guy," said Pence, who has himself been photographed
standing with Parnas. The vice president called Parnas' claim that he had
participated in the effort to spur the Ukrainians to open an investigation into
the Bidens "completely false."
Parnas also said Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Energy Secretary
Rick Perry played roles in the scheme. Both have denied wrongdoing.
The new accusations came as House Democrats made public a trove of
documents, text messages and photos from Parnas' smartphones that appear to
verify parts of his account.
The documents, released just ahead of the start of Trump's Senate
impeachment trial, could raise pressure on the Senate as it debates whether to
hear witnesses.
A federal judge earlier this month ruled that Parnas could provide the
materials to Congress as part of the impeachment proceedings. Democrats voted
in December to impeach Trump for abuse of power and for obstruction of Congress.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, one of seven Democratic
impeachment managers who will effectively act as prosecutors during Trump's
Senate trial, said Thursday they are reviewing Parnas' interviews and documents
"to evaluate his potential testimony." It is likely that the House managers,
not senators, would make a motion to call witnesses such as Parnas.
"Mr. Parnas' public interviews in the last 24 hours shed additional insights
into the origins of the scheme, the work he and Rudy Giuliani were doing on the
president's behalf, and other members of the administration who were
knowledgeable," Schiff said.
But Senate Republicans appeared largely unmoved, with some suggesting they
were unfamiliar with who Parnas is, despite months of media coverage and prior
testimony in the House about his ties to Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine.
"If I had ever heard of him before yesterday I'm not aware of it," said
Sen. Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican. "This is the indicted guy, right?"
House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy deflected questions about donations
from Parnas to a political action committee he runs and a photo of him with
Parnas at Trump's inauguration in 2017.
"People come to events, and they take photos with me," McCarthy said. The
GOP leader added that in his view Parnas "lacks all credibility'' and accused
the news media of trying to build him up.
Democrats, meanwhile, pointed to text messages among the newly disclosed
materials that have raised questions about the possible surveillance of former
Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch before she was ousted by the Trump
administration last spring.
The messages show that Robert F. Hyde, a Republican candidate for Congress
from Connecticut, disparaged Yovanovitch in messages to Parnas and gave him
updates on her location and cellphone use.
FBI investigators were observed Thursday morning at Hyde's home and business
addresses. Charles Grady, a spokesman for the FBI in Connecticut, confirmed
that agents had been at the locations tied to Hyde but said he could not
provide additional information.
The text and phone records show Parnas communicating with Giuliani multiple
times a day before Yovanovitch's removal, as well as a handwritten note that
mentions asking Ukraine's president to investigate "the Biden case."
Among the documents is a screenshot of a previously undisclosed letter from
Giuliani to Zelenskiy dated May 10, 2019, which was shortly after Zelenskiy was
elected but before he took office. In the letter, Giuliani requests a meeting
with Zelenskiy "as personal counsel to President Trump and with his knowledge
and consent."
The Associated Press reported in October that Zelenskiy had huddled three
days earlier, on May 7, with a small group of key advisers in Kyiv to seek
advice about how to navigate the insistence from Trump and Giuliani for a probe
into the Bidens. He expressed his unease about becoming entangled in the
American elections, according to three people familiar with the details of the
three-hour meeting. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the
diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, which has roiled U.S.-Ukrainian relations.
One of the documents released by Democrats is a note from Parnas handwritten
on stationery from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Vienna that says "get Zalensky to
Annonce that the Biden case will be Investigated."
Parnas told Maddow he took the notes as he was speaking by phone to
Giuliani, receiving precise instructions about the demands Trump wanted to
convey to Zelenskiy's team.
Trump asked Zelenskiy in a July 25 call to investigate the Bidens. Hunter
Biden served on the board of a gas company based in Ukraine.
In a segment aired Thursday, Parnas said he no longer believes that former
Vice President Biden did anything improper and said the concerted effort he'd
been involved in to push for an investigation was just about politics.
Parnas and his business partner, Igor Fruman, both U.S. citizens who
emigrated from the former Soviet Union, were indicted last year on charges of
conspiracy, making false statements and falsification of records. Prosecutors
allege they made outsize campaign donations to Republican causes after
receiving millions of dollars originating from Russia. The men have pleaded not
guilty.
In several of the documents released as part of the impeachment inquiry,
Parnas communicated with Giuliani about the removal of Yovanovitch. The
ambassador's ouster, ordered by Trump, was at the center of the Democrats'
impeachment inquiry. Yovanovitch testified in the House impeachment hearings
that she was the victim of a "smear campaign."
Trump on the July call told Zelenskiy that Yovanovitch was "going to go
through some things." She had been recalled from her diplomatic post roughly
three months earlier.
Parnas told Maddow that Trump actually ordered Yovanovitch fired several
times, including once in his presence, but Pompeo and then-national security
adviser John Bolton refused to go along. Democrats and a handful of Republicans
have been calling for Bolton to testify as part of Trump's Senate trial.
On April 23, just before Yovanovitch was directed to return to the United
States, Giuliani texted Parnas, "He fired her again." Parnas texted back, "I
pray it happens this time I'll call you tomorrow my brother."
After texting about the ambassador, Hyde gave Parnas detailed updates that
suggested he was watching her. In one text, Hyde wrote: "She's talked to three
people. Her phone is off. Her computer is off." He said she was under heavy
security and "we have a person inside."
Hyde texted Parnas that ''they are willing to help if we/you would like a
price," and "guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money ... is what I was
told."
In a Twitter post Tuesday, Hyde called Parnas a "dweeb" and suggested the
messages about surveilling the ambassador were a joke. He said he welcomed an
investigation.
Parnas, in turn, also said Wednesday that Hyde's texts shouldn't be taken
seriously.
The text messages show that Parnas consulted Giuliani in January 2019 after
the U.S. denied a visa to former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
Giuliani replied: "I can revive it."
The following day, Giuliani told Parnas, "It's going to work I have no 1 in
it." Giuliani then predicted "he will get one," before giving Parnas the phone
number for Jay Sekulow, the leader of the president's personal legal team.
Sekulow is expected to be part of Trump's legal team during the impeachment
trial.
Among the materials released from Parnas' phone this week were more photos
of him with Trump, as well as the president's son Donald Trump Jr., first
daughter Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner.
Asked by Maddow about Trump's denial of knowing him, Parnas said he had
spoken one-on-one with the president numerous times.
"He lied," Parnas said of the president. "I mean, we're not friends. Me and
him didn't watch football games together, we didn't eat hot dogs. But he knew
exactly who we were, who I was especially."
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